The Row over “Hollywood” Continues

I throw in with neither Team Tarantino nor Team Lee (Mythmaking in the martial arts, Part 5 Addendum B)

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (OUaTiH) has been back in the news lately because of various high-profile comments about Bruce Lee’s portrayal therein. The first came from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, whose arguments, I’d sum up like this:¹

  • Lee taught him martial arts, discipline, and spiritualism, which allowed him to have a long NBA career with few injuries.
  • Lee fought against the racist stereotypes in Hollywood, through his acting, writing, and creation of Jeet Kune Do.
  • Tarantino is punching down in his film just as Hollywood did in the ’70’s.
  • Lee would never accept challenges, though there were many.

I’m pretty far down the list of people who are going to say Hollywood’s not racist; indeed I know the opposite is true. And I agree that Tarantino is using the platform of a big-budget Hollywood film to tarnish the image of Lee. I hope I have established in this series that such is not my intent. My goal was to set the record straight about Wong Jia Man, whose name the Lee mythmaking machine has used a ton of money and power to defame for decades.

As to Lee’s teachings allowing Abdul-Jabbar to stay injury free, perhaps, though Lee did manage to badly injure his back by failing to warm up properly before a workout in 1970. This rookie mistake saw him laid up for months, and some even link it to his untimely demise because of drugs he took to manage the pain, so not a great advertisement for training with Bruce.

On the part about Lee never taking challenges, there are other sources among the caretakers of his legacy who say he did, and always won. I’m much more inclined to believe Abdul-Jabbar on this one as having firsthand knowledge and no vested interest in perpetuating the myth of Lee the unbeatable martial artist, in addition to jibing with my research for this series.

More recently Tarantino fired back at criticisms like Abdul-Jabbar’s in an interview. I’d summarize his points thus:²

  • His source indicates Lee had contempt for stuntmen in the Green Hornet era,
  • And would deliberately make contact instead of pulling blows in fight scenes with them,
  • So Gene LeBell was brought in to keep him in line.

Mathew Polly, whose book Bruce Lee, a Life, Tarantino cites as his source, differs with this characterization:³

What I said in my book is that Bruce wanted to change American fight choreography so that the blows would miss by millimeters rather than by feet (aka the John Wayne punch) in order to better sell the technique. But in the process, Bruce did bang up some of the stuntmen on The Green Hornet, which pissed them off. So they asked Gene LeBell to settle Bruce down.

Now I’m not going to run out and buy Polly’s book to track down what he says there, but his description of the LeBell incident is paraphrased in an article, “Q&A: Bruce Lee & ESPN”, thus:⁴

[…] Lee had, apparently, been rough with the stunt actors while shooting The Green Hornet, and the stunt coordinator told Labell [sic] (who was already a heavyweight Judo champion) to restrain him. Labell picked up Lee in a fireman’s carry and started running around the set with him.

So it seems despite my initial sense of convergence, Tarantino came at his portrayal of Lee from a very different place than my series: he’s both factually incorrect as well as buying into the Lee myth to the extent that he uses it to index Cliff’s martial prowess.

Shannon Lee again responded to Tarantino, with her main arguments being:⁵

  • Tarantino repeatedly rips off Bruce Lee without giving him credit, e.g. in Kill Bill, but now in OUaTiH when he finally does name him it’s only to denigrate him.
  • She’s tired of being white/ mansplained to about who her father was.
  • Bruce Lee was a true martial artist, taught it, wrote about it, created his own, and innovated in training, but didn’t fight in tournaments because he thought “combat should be ‘real’”.
  • He also had a huge impact on action films and fight choreography, inspired interest in the martial arts, and continues to inspire people as a source of pride for Asian Americans and people of color.
  • Tarantino uses him to establish Cliff’s badassery, and tears him down as “a mediocre, arrogant martial artist”.
  • Going after Bruce Lee again, now that there is increasing violence against Asian Americans is pretty tone deaf

These are some pretty good points, and I agree with most of them—especially that Tarantino essentially fails with his portrayal of Lee because it doesn’t work: Cliff beating up Bruce Lee the martial arts icon shows us how tough the character is, but Lee’s really just a blowhard without a lot of skill—and you can’t really have it both ways.

The part of Shannon Lee’s article I disagree with, obviously, is about Bruce the martial artist. He did teach martial arts, but with a maximum of two years of experience when he started. He did create and write about his own, which was largely transparently plagiarized from other sources and has never produced a champion. And finally—and Shannon Lee slips up a bit here—if he avoided tournaments because he wanted combat to be real, why did he engage so enthusiastically in the inherent fakery of martial arts films?

As for the current climate of violence against Asian Americans, It’s disgusting, especially since those perpetrating it seem to target older people, and so couple cowardice with their virulent racism. Full disclosure: yes, I am a white dude, but these articles were written in defence of Wong, a Chinese-born American wronged by the Lees. Maybe that makes me the kind of “social justice warrior” conservatives like to bash because I’m offended on behalf of someone else who’s not, since, as I’ve mentioned, Wong would joke about the lies told about him. And I am sad to report, since I began this series, this true master of  Hsing-I-Bagua (形意-八卦), T’ai Chi Ch’üan (太極拳), and Northern Sil Lum (北少林, Běishàolín) passed away in December of 2018.

Returning to the feud between Tarantino and Shannon Lee, again, it helps them both: on Tarantino’s side, there’s a saying that a work can succeed either by being good or being controversial—for instance getting something banned like The Satanic Verses only sold more books—and mouthing off in very public fora and in highly inflammatory ways about Martial Arts Jesus is sure to reach a large audience. On the Lee, Inc. side, as I said in the previous Addendum, this controversy only serves to renew interest in Bruce, so Shannon Lee is just a pot to the kettle she accuses Tarantino of being

Present also is the kind of divisiveness and polarization much of our discourse these days tends toward. You have to decide if you’re going to be on Team Lee or Team Tarantino, because the kind of nuanced, fact-based view I’ve presented is either TL;DR, or puts me in Quentin’s camp, where I really don’t want to be.

Read Previous Articles in This Series

Part 1: The Bruce Lie

Part 2: Enter the Tycoon

Part 3: Fists of Flim-Flam

Part 4: Urban Lee

Part 5: The Littlest Dragon

Part 5 Addendum: Kato’s Comeuppance


  1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, “Bruce Lee Was My Friend, and Tarantino’s Movie Disrespects Him”, The Hollywood Reporter, August, 2019.
  2. “Quentin Tarantino”, The Joe Rogan Experience, June, 2021.
  3. Mathew Polly (@MatthewEPolly), July 1, 2021, Twitter.
  4. Starke, “Q&A: Bruce Lee & ESPN”, How to Fight Write, 2020. Polly liked a Tweet of this blogpost, so I assume it’s accurate.
  5. Shannon Lee, “Does Quentin Tarantino Hate Bruce Lee? Or Does It Just Help Sell Books?”, The Hollywood Reporter, July, 2021.

6 thoughts on “The Row over “Hollywood” Continues”

  1. Thanks for this! I always think of your original series when Bruce Lee is in the news.

    Do you think the part about avoiding tournaments vs movies was because BL didn’t ever want to appear as a loser? (I feel like this explains why he would still do movies)

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  2. Lee was a consummate showman and wanted people to believe that his larger-than-life big-screen persona was who he really was. In reality, while his physicality was impressive—particularly his speed, agility, and flexibility—he was never a particularly functional martial artist. The flashy moves that look amazing on screen are nearly the opposite of the simple, effective moves of real combat. Even if I’m wrong, and he did have some skill as a fighter, as you suggest, he couldn’t take the chance of being seen to lose, so he steered clear of tournaments, making an excuse, and refused challenges. Lee was a hard worker, and lifted, stretched and trained a ton, as well as filming and writing movies and choreographing fight scenes, but he never had time to deeply study real martial arts, and so did what he did have time for in that regard: mythmaking.


    1. The nunchaku scene has fooled a lot of people despite the obvious absurdity of trying to control a small, spherical ball with a narrow, cylindrical surface, and the fact that one full-speed whack would almost surely crack the ball. Just scratching the surface a bit tho, the video is A. a Nokia ad, B. made in 2008, and C. isn’t even the real Lee.


      1. Yea I was writing in sarcastic mode.
        Like I said. Great entertainer.

        Obviously Ali and Tyson was something special to witness.
        With the charisma bonus and good message off-court as well.
        Ali is a true idol for me when it comes to “the message” and now mike Tyson (who is not for everyone, but is a great communicator today as well).
        What I personally think about Lee is that he was a good source for inspiration for many and that is quite valuable to me personally.
        I forgive his martial arts trickery but lets classify him where he belongs thats for sure, a great entertainer.

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